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The home secretary has been sacked and replaced with the foreign secretary and the new foreign secretary is the previous but four prime minister who isn't even an MP so has been magically made a lord to take the job.

Just when the world is so crazy one cant quite believe it it gets crazier. If all so easy though why do they always struggle to get staff among Mps why not pick a friend and make them a lord. It just hasn't been done recently which suggests there are pitfalls to the cunning plan.
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Never has my gob been so smacked. I thought we'd seen the last of Dodgy Dave.
I don't think we've seen the last of CrSuella.
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Well at 57 he is 4 years younger than Starmer and vastly more experienced. He also has some gravitas which is a quality the Tories are sorely lacking. They probably have a stronger team in the 4 top jobs than at any time since Cameron was PM. I still think they will lose the next election but I suspect the next year will see less carnage than the last five. Also the shadow Foreign Secretary is serial foot-in-mouth specialist, David Lammy, so I don't think Camreron will be overtaxed. Lammy has Bernie Grant's old seat in Tottenham and like Bernie he is always banging on about something, usually how unfair life is for black people in the UK but he has a habit of quoting statistics that are subsequently shown to be nonsense.
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I think his appointment is bad for Britain and bad for democracy. He now occupies one of the four primary offices of state having had no democratic mandate to get there. He resigned as PM over Brexit then quit as an MP altogether rather than disagree with Theresa May over policy (education I think?). To be parachuted into the Lords in this manner in order to take office was a mistake. He may be experienced but I believe it is experience that could be detrimental to Britain's place outside the EU.
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It's a little strange. Only a few weeks ago at conference Dishy Rishi was decrying the failed consensus espoused by George Osborne and................the soon-to-be Lord Cameron who some on the Tory right think is excessively pro-China.
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eccles wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:25 pm IHe may be experienced but I believe it is experience that could be detrimental to Britain's place outside the EU.
I think that might not be relevant - the latest polls show 60% would now vote to rejoin and Labour is very pro-EU so I'd be surprised if we were still outside the EU by 2029. Cameron is only a stop-gap measure for a year anyhow.
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Labour is split down the middle over the EU with the Corbynista against it which is why in 2019 Corbyn sat on the fence, unable to follow his instincts as head of the party because the soft left were pro-EU.

As for the polls, I wouldn't take too much notice of online polls where the only people who take part are those with an act to grind. They will be far more biased against the status quo and ready to blame all and sundry on Brexit than those conducted at street level.

To join the EU on a fresh mandate would mean agreeing to join shengen and the Euro. It would also mean ditching the CPTPP and other trade deals. After the upheaval from leaving, to go through it again by joining would be too much for any politician to even consider in the next two parliaments at least.

Ain't gonna happen.

This is interesting:
eu gains source globaleurope.eu.png
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It would be even more interesting to see the same graph showing the average annual gain in GDP per capita in Euros arising from all factors excluding the growing European integration, wouldn't it?
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If only GDP per capita was paid more attention to.
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Well we don't really need an opposition do we the Tories are better opposition to themselves than the opposition. Probably we need Tories do split into 2 parties and also the labour too because the things disagreed on are difficult to compromise. We couldnt get a non hung parliament with more parties getting votes though so isn't any magical answers.

Never had any intention of keeping promises. That really sums up all governments in recent times. But as only choices are other parties also making empty promises or who will be scuppered by lawyers and media pile ons it's all very depressing.
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Ms Braverman's letter to the PM.
It is scathing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67416146
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On Mr Cameron's return to government it is my belief that it has an ulterior purpose.

He will be put in charge of a referendum to join the EU.

It will be a once in a lifetime vote.

He will then proceed to conduct an extensive project fear campaign including listing all the things wrong with the EU, predicting a run on the Pound, mass unemployment, and an emergency budget the day after the referendum.

He will send leaflets to every household at government (i.e. taxpayers') expense supporting remaining out of the EU.

All the polls predict that he will win.

What could possibly go wrong?
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The honourable ministers need to be tied to the green benches and not allowed to resign until they have actually done some of their jobs. It's getting ridiculous keep resigning before anything gets sorted on all sorts of important topics.
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Immigration minister Robert Jenrick has resigned. He said the law going through parliament isn't tough enough.
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As if he had nothing to do with it. What a shambles.
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They have tried so many different prime ministers now another one cant really improve things much can it. A new pm will still have the same civil servants and lawyers.

The new immigration plan of 38k income for marrying a foreign spouse sounded quite sensible but they will be out of office before this is done and lawyers would make another fortune fighting. It's probably even the bottom end of scale for how much you need to earn without your family being net takers. A country will never improve if we keep bringing in more new people who can't totally support themselves and the rationing for anything given free or subsidised will just get worse and worse.
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The government has a workaround for ministers resigning, appoint two to replace the one that leaves.
We now have a minister for illegal immigration (Michael Tomlinson) and another (Tom Pursglove) for legal immigration. This is a good idea because if (when?) one resigns then the other can take over.
Pursglove looks about 14 and I imagine he has to show ID in the Commons bars.
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A manger of the railways has resigned because passengers were stuck on a train for four hours. I can't see how this helps trains improve because she won't have been driving it or fixing it's electric tracks would she. Trains will still get stuck with a new manager.
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The speaker of house of commons is in danger of being got rid of by annoyed MPs. He is still there for now and might be able to stay if they !ike his apologies.

I don't really understand it all the house of commons seem to have all sorts of rules noone ever heard of until they get broken and there's a fuss. The speaker is not allowed to change who gets to speak even though that's his job and the snp whose turn it was to start were not happy labour got their turn The snp dont get many chances to start speaking and usually have to wait to oppose whatever others say but if they will waste one of their only chances to speak on something not in UK about which UK parliament has no direct control this is what happens. Should have spoken about Scotland then labour wouldn't have wanted their turn.
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This is all a farce. According to the BBC 'Hoyle broke with convention to allow a vote on a Labour amendment to a SNP proposal' which I should think doesn't mean all that much to the 99.9% of the population who live in the real world. As the debate was about the situation in Gaza I doubt if the people who really matter over there ie Hamas and the government of Israel would even have noticed that they were being discussed at Westminster Windbag Wednesday.

There's plenty going wrong in the UK that needs putting right before Westminster makes empty gestures on matters over which they have no influence whatsoever, and then gets all worked up because Mr Speaker got something wrong.
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